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PostSubject: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 9:48 am

After I get my cory fry raised I'm going to be re-setting up my 55gal show tank (4ft by 1 ft by?). I know I want an African butterfly fish (Pantodon buchholzi) or 2 in there. They are top dwellers that get 4" or so and temp of about 78-80.
I'm thinking of going cichlid (yall are a bad influence) I would love a nice color (purples blues ?) something thats not too vicious and wont attack my butterfly. I also cant spend too much on each fish ($20=too much) I would like to have a few live plants in there if I can. I'm planning on a sand substrait with some driftwood and some rock work.

Let me know what yall think up with pics and stats (temp size ect)
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 10:33 am

Cichlids and plants dont mix well. Id say do some nice peacocks or something Lake Tang ...Little less vicious.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 10:37 am

if you go with tangs do not go with tropheus. the tank is kind of small for them but it culd work. they need really clean water and a good diet. also they are know to go crazy on fish they do not like and they will kill them!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 10:43 am

Um specific fish please I'm still cichlid dumb.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 10:49 am

your tropheus is genus(small group). they all have the same body shape like the picture below. i have tropheus red moliro firecrackers but i am looking to get some tropheus bemba orange flame.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 10:52 am

Ok, so what can I put in there?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 11:04 am

i would recommend a good blend. i think for first time cichlid keepers it is better to get fish from lake malawi. they tend to be harder to kill. most of the tangs are delicate.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 12:48 pm

I can catch these locally http://myfwc.com/WILDLIFEHABITATS/Nonnative_FW_MayanCichlid.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cichlasoma_urophthalmus
If you guys think I should try with a free fish first? If I do them first to get the hang of cichlids any one want them?

Ok Holey what is this good blend you recommend? I'm thinking cichlid because of the bright colors they have.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 1:18 pm

yeah i am not saying you have to go with the free fish first as cichlids for the most part are not hard to keep at all. it is just the tangs that can be harder. i would suggest some mbuna (yellow lab, rusty, etc.) and maybe a few peacocks. they will offer you great color and are pretty hard to kill for the most part.


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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 1:25 pm

And they wont kill the butterfly?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 1:59 pm

i dont think any cichlid would mix well with that guy. i think that is more of a community fish.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 2:49 pm

Ok what could I put with it that it wont eat?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 3:25 pm

i have always thought of the fish you want as a community fish meaning you can have tetras, neons, guppies. you know that kind of fish.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 3:56 pm

This is why I'm asking




I want to put it with other fish that will eat crickets and such.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 5:52 pm

maybe someone else has some personal experience with this fish. i know i have never kept them.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 6:39 pm

you can mix apistogramma and gold and blue rams with your butterfly fish. These are small cichlids and they are not aggressive. In fact you can even have these in a community tank. They are really cool and have some myself. However they can be a bit delicate to water pollution, (aminium, nitrate and nitrite levels) As long as you do you water change its all good.

apistogramma

http://www.u2u.idv.tw/stone/photo/Apisto/Apistogramma%20bitaeniata%20Mamuri(1).jpg

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http://www.petpig.com/fish/fish/Cichlid-Blue-Ram.jpg

check them out and see if you like them. Oddball fish are also cool man
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 6:42 pm

nirvana85 wrote:
you can mix apistogramma and gold and blue rams with your butterfly fish. These are small cichlids and they are not aggressive. In fact you can even have these in a community tank. They are really cool and have some myself. However they can be a bit delicate to water pollution, (aminium, nitrate and nitrite levels) As long as you do you water change its all good.

apistogramma

http://www.u2u.idv.tw/stone/photo/Apisto/Apistogramma%20bitaeniata%20Mamuri(1).jpg

rams
http://www.petpig.com/fish/fish/Cichlid-Blue-Ram.jpg

check them out and see if you like them. Oddball fish are also cool man

true. i am narrow minded when i hear cichlids and only consider the africans lol.


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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 8:11 pm

I think I like both of those. How much do they cost usually?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/19/2009, 8:19 pm

Fern wrote:
I think I like both of those. How much do they cost usually?


rams can range from 5$ to 10$.

apistogrammas are usually from 10$ to $20 you just need to find the place where to find them cheaper.

but those are awesome fish man for sure you will like them. they make your tank look all colorful and stuff
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/20/2009, 6:23 am

Ok so we have butterfly's rams and apistogrammas (if I can find them)
So thats the top and bottom. Now I need a middle fish. I can get quarter sized angels for $2ish. Should I do 2 or 1 of those? Would the work with the above mentioned fish?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/20/2009, 2:58 pm

Fern wrote:
Ok so we have butterfly's rams and apistogrammas (if I can find them)
So thats the top and bottom. Now I need a middle fish. I can get quarter sized angels for $2ish. Should I do 2 or 1 of those? Would the work with the above mentioned fish?

yeah that would be fine. However just watch out with the angels. they might nibble on the butterflies fins
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/21/2009, 7:43 am

Ok, Do you have a better suggestion?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/24/2009, 1:02 am

hmm for middle you can also get some kribensis or even rainbow fish if you want to mix stuff around like me. They will do good. all adapt to same water temp, ph and hardness. just not the small rainbow fish such as featherfin and stuff like that.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocking questions   Stocking questions Icon_minitime8/24/2009, 7:19 am

Ok sounds good. All of those will work with plants and sand?

I am going to have to put this project on hold for a bit till I get a poop load of 10g and 20g to raise all the friggin corys I have. I just put some (123 to be precise) in the 55gal to grow them for selling.
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