breeding hybrids

First topic message reminder :

I just bought a tank recently that came with some interesting fish. The day after i set the tank up at my house I noticed that this hybrid


was breeding with a german red female and now she is holding eggs.. I think the males from the spawn could potentially be awesome candidates for all male tanks. Just something to talk about =)

"i have heard of placing them in a bag in the freezer or placing them in rubbing alcohol".
"i did not hint or stat this is what they should do"-.....yeah,you did.

Thanks for the great comment 3Frontosas!! I am flattered!!

But if anyone here thinks they can stop Hybrids they are nothing but foolish. They are going no where at all. They are apart of chiclids and not one site or 1000 people are going to change this. Another great example are the Sunset Peacock Chiclids flooding the market in LFS. People these are also hybrids too. But also very pretty. So calling people names will do one thing, Leave the site and continue to keep breeding hybrids without listening to someone else's opinion.

Educate people, here is where you will outlast hybrids. When they understand not one LFS has pure breeds then they will decide if they wish to keep hybrids or keep species pure. I personally keep one species in a tank, not even a pleco with them. I do have a common tank and those no matter what I consider hybrid fish. Most are prior to me knowing better and some are babies from other tanks I just did not want to get rid of.

Come on now guys people getting a little crazy here with the whole topic. Yes keeping a bunch of different breeds of cichlids in one tank they will cross. A male is a male he doesnt care what the female looks like. Africans are good for this thats why if you want purebreds do a species tank. And people buy them cause they are the closest pretty freshwater fish to keep other than having to setup a saltwater tank. And really if you are going to house the mother in a breeder net to spit fry for eating why bother catching her to add more stress? Why not just let her spit them in the tank and go on about her day or why even let her hold if you dont want the fry? And go weeks without eating all that work she put in for what free food? I am guilty of the same crime I have a Malawi tank full of males and females from different species that cross all the time, but really they do this in the lake as well many hybrids from the africans can be wild caught. But I know I am not hurting the species go to Aquabid.com and look. There are many hybrids and purebreds for sale wild from the lake. But my real qeustion is how do we know that the Lion Cove wild caught is pure? I bought a trio and striped her of the eggs and put them in a tumbler and had all ob's from her and kept them in a species tank. No ob in the tank at all and they were sold as wild caught from a known seller on aquabid. So yeah most Africans have genetics that are unknown to the breeder till they breed so now I just mix and the fry I offer on CL for $1 a piece and they find new homes and I tell the people that buy them that they are crossed. I've had zebra cross with a male kenyi it happens if you dont keep species tanks but I know that they are many breeders out there that are breeding pure and my little dent doesnt hurt the species....now if I had a species from the C.A.R.E.S list I would keep it in a species tank. And raise it purebred I have many breds of guppies that breed true and wouldn't cross them for anything. Just dont understand the fuss about it all It's an African crossing with an African in a tank same as it would do in the lake the dominate traits kick in and thats what you get. Its not a blood parrot who cant close its mouth why it swims....now that is a hybrid with problems

We're talking about fish!! I catch them ,spear them and eat them!!

We're talking about fish!! Come on you guys!!

Thats it we catch them eat them use them for bait....Whats the big deal with any type of fish......beauty is in the eye of the beholder is what I was taught

3Frontosas wrote:

Alton S wrote:

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and to all that say NO to hybrid or have any other "witty" slogan against hybrids saying they are man made, show your lack of knowledge of Hybrids and the possibility of two different species Naturally breeding in the wild to create the same thing that other breeders are creating now. Yes most Hybrids are created by people but there are some Hybrids that are wild caught as well, it does and can happen in nature, and to try and argue some kind of point against not liking that... well then you'll have to be mad at the fish for that one... Alton hit the nail on the head with this one. I in no way shape or form endorse Hybrids or encourage people to breed them but I'm also not dumb enough to think that they don't happen Naturally as well, and know just what Alton stated as well if there is always a want for them from people then they are going to be breed and sold. If you don't like them that's fine but I promise you they are not going anywhere because there is always going to be a demand for them. Prime Example just as he Stated are OB's which I'm sure almost all of you own.

You make yourself sound like the smartest person in the world. I wish I was you.

FYI Some people just don't know b/c they have never been tought. Just like learning how to count. If no one shows you or tells you how...then how the heck are you suppose to know?

A very LOW % oh hybrid happens in the wild...very low. Let mother nature takes it course.

jake wrote:

re:cichlidlady-the fry looked like normal Rustys they were all hybrids......just great. We now have 30 OB Lab/Rusty combos in a 16gal bow with no plans to sell and can't tell the sex right now..........................
This is a perfect example of why people shouldnt breed fish at all.She doenst know what shes doing.1-cant id fish 2-only one tank,too small 3-mixing different fish in same tank and expecting pure bred 3-she's gonna have to do something with these fish anyway,even if they're pure 4-she added even more fish to an already overcrowded tank to kill offspring-really!
and cajun , just want to murder them cuz they dont have the right blood!
You guys have as much class as a pre-schooler

Dude chill out. Same thing as I said abouve....If people have never been tought or told how are they suppose to know? It's called help them. Take a

Alton S wrote:

Thanks for the great comment 3Frontosas!! I am flattered!!

But if anyone here thinks they can stop Hybrids they are nothing but foolish. They are going no where at all. They are apart of chiclids and not one site or 1000 people are going to change this. Another great example are the Sunset Peacock Chiclids flooding the market in LFS. People these are also hybrids too. But also very pretty. So calling people names will do one thing, Leave the site and continue to keep breeding hybrids without listening to someone else's opinion.
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I agree educate and we can help the situation... USA Fishbox is not trying to stop it we just don't support it and none will be sold here. We do not try to make it a big deal.

ornate12 wrote:

We're talking about fish!! I catch them ,spear them and eat them!!

We're talking about fish!! Come on you guys!!

100000% agreed!




If you can't keep it cool please go elsewhere or you will be forced to. Thanks!

this is a sensitive subject and everyone has a strong opinion on it. lets please respect everyones opinions and move on. this is no win battle. we just have to agrees to disagree.

why cant we be freind

Thanks KMX!!

I try to look at all possible angels of every situation. Like you said "Some DO NOT know better" I for one have a Red Frontosa in a tank for this very reason. Yeah I bought it because it was different and cool, but today I will never buy another. So I can see both sides of this topic. I also agree there will never be a solution to this. But to critize a person for what they have in their tank is not right. We are here to help each other and others coming to the site. Wether it be an OB or a Copadichromis Virginalis Fire Crest (Which is on the Endangered Species List from Lake Malawi). We are here to make new friends and educate those we can help. Not belittle and critize, those are the people that cause problems. Just makes me mad I have seen this on several sites and those that make the most noise on this subject also own hybrids. Everything I have said is just my opinion.....Absolutely nothing more then that.

Hey guys thanks for all the comments.........both negative and positive! I didn't realize telling my story would heat things up like this, but I've got really tough skin. My avatar may be flowers but this chick is hard as nails. For Mr. Jake I should have given the whole story but I chose to shorten it down as to not get too wordy. I've only been in the fish world for going on 9mos and I surprised my husband with a 135g tank (sets of 3's of different African cichlids total approx.36) for our anniversary and we've been speed reading, surfing and downloading every piece of info we can about our fish just to learn more. Jake if you are interested you can view my very first pics of this setup it was posted yesterday to see what I'm talking about. In addition to this tank we have a 10g, 16g bow(30 half to 3 quarter inch fry) and a 27g hex (not setup yet). Like I said in my post ONCE WE REALIZED WHAT WAS HAPPENING we took action and we have been looking for a male Rusty for the 3 females so we can remove the OB lab into the 27g once it is setup. And as I stated WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO SELL the hybrids. In my opinion letting the holding females get picked on or have to fight during that time is more stressful than me catching them and making sure they are safe until they release the fry........whether left in the tank or in the breeder they will still not eat until they release the fry. We want to keep track of how many fish we have in the 135g because with 3 holding females at the same time which has been the trend and then with 15 to 30 fry each will get out of hand really quickly. I can read here that "hybrids" are a very sensitive subject but there is no need to jump to conclusions or get your panties in a bunch without even asking the first questions.........."how long have you been in the hobby" or "what is your experience level"......JAKE! Trust........I would not have been offended by these types of questions but I am offended by your tactless approach to a newcomer like myself. I have no problem admitting inexperience as you can see cus that is just the type of woman I am, but if you really have the maturity and experience you seem to claim why not man-up and help with the education..........there is something called "private message"......it would have been a more tactful method of communication if you are really interested in being a true contributor to the hobby. I've said my piece...

yeah,I guess the worlds crazy enough already.Whats the deal on the red frontosa anyway? I saw one that looked like a burundi,the kind w/ no blue.no red on it.could it just be marketing?If hybrid-then w/ what?

Great info. everyone!! Lot of good posts!!!

yeah im not sure about the red fronts. i know a while back they were fetching big money. i would look at pics and it just looked like a washed out front to me. i think it is all about marketing lol.

Holey Rock of Texas wrote:

yeah im not sure about the red fronts. i know a while back they were fetching big money. i would look at pics and it just looked like a washed out front to me. i think it is all about marketing lol.

That's all it is baby! Don't let them fool ya!

I did some searching online about them and found they are a genetic defect from inbreeding. I guess some breeders tried to capitalize on them being rare but from what I have read they are a genetic defect. It is true they look like a front with redish to brown stripes. Mine is very close to red and also has the blue hue in the fins. It is very cool to watch swiming around. Like I said I bought this guy just months into the hobby and he has been with me almost 3 years and is just barely over 5" now.

All this is what I have researched, I have NO proof it is true. So please DO NOT think I am an expert here. Thanks everyone!!

WHOOOOO HOOOOO......One a good NOTE: My Aul Ethelwynnae Chitande and Aul Chitande Type North's Ship next week!!! May even get my German Reds too!!

Well I read the 1st 3/4 pages and then jumped to the end. So heres my 2 cents. As a breeder you have an ethical responsibility to the breed. Your goal should be towards strengthening the breed through selectively breeding those parents that show the best genes and having no defects. Yes I've seen some beautiful hybrids ie the blueberry ob peacock, but I think they are a disservice to the breed. Most hybrids with the Africans I find to be dull washed out fish with a few exceptions. People say they will never leave their tanks, some here that have said that I know better. But then go to the box stores, they're all over the place. To me thats irreparable damage that unscrupulous breeders have done to the hobby. Watch and see, 50 years from now a pure Sunshine Peacock will sell for 200 bucks because there will be so few of them. K I rambled enough

Is there really that many african hybrids anyway,besides ob's ?btw-most of mine do LOOK good not washed out.that's why people crossbreed to get better lookig fish.I crossed an albino sunshine with an ob and got some real nice yellow ob's,but that's not too much of a hybrid.peacock x peacock.The one ob female did not destroy the sunshine line btw.It's really about common sense.we dont want freaks of nature,but a little variety is ok in my opinion

Jake IMO the pics that you have showed us. Your Hybrids do show washed out colors and broken bars...all sorts of flaws.

A litte is not good b/c it will ruin pure blood lines and like Sigmar said ....all my pure breed fish will be worth the big bucks b/c they will be few of them.



This fish right here is washed out and fadded. Will never have the same color as a pure peacock.





Here is one of my Peacocks. .....You tell me what colors are better.

well the background is better on the hybid pic lol.

Holey Rock of Texas wrote:

well the background is better on the hybid pic lol.

You are suppose to be on my side!

Take you down next time I see you

I have to agree the background on the hybrid pic is better. The purebred is definitely a better looking fish though.

we are not talking about the background.....

well use a better back ground. i have to take into account the entire pic lol. jk

...sigh...

BTW I Was

The Purebred is obviously the better looking fish no matter the background.

the only thing obvious is how biased you guys are!both fish look great!nice try......

just to show that I'm not,here's an example-this fish has a real nice blue,but came w/the tannish shoulder.not good!
this one is green-not bad!

then there's this one

or you will pay xtr for these

peace out homies-next class is soon!!