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PostSubject: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/25/2011, 10:44 pm

Ive never had sand yet in an aquarium but thats fixing to change real soon ..Is there any tips or anything i should be warned about? I do have a canister filter so what can i do to prevent the sand from getting sucked up in it?
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/25/2011, 10:49 pm

Get a pre-filter (basically a large sponge I use car wash sponges) on your intake to prevent sand from getting into the filter. Be sure to rinse, rinse, rinse and when your done rinse again! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/25/2011, 10:59 pm

I rinse my sand in a 5gl bucket. Fill it half way and stick a water hose in it and tilt the bucket and rinse till the water comes out clear(swirl the hose around and get creative with enough water pressure to get the impurities out). Also its best to unplug your filter for about 2hrs till the sand settles at the bottom(this would be a good time to clean your filter if needed) and thats what i do to all my 12 tanks. Also, KMX posted a video of "how to clean your sand" some where, I'll try and find it. If you do this you wont need a prefilter, I have HOB's and canister's and neverf had a problem.

Its easier to add the sand(after cleaning) then the water and a few hours later the filter.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/25/2011, 11:35 pm

ok sounds good...One thing i will never get again is colored gravel the paint evenually comes off and though its never bothered my fish that i know of it definalty dont help them any
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 12:23 am

If you use pool filter sand be sure to strain it and get the big rocks out cause this will scratch your glass big time
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 6:37 am

Depending on how deep your bed is, the pre-filter is definately a plus.

Stir up the sand bed when you do water changes. I use a bamboo skewer or chop stick. This will help break up anything that is sitting on the top of the bed as well as keep it aerated. Depending on your stocking, you can achieve the same thing with MTS, loaches and cories just to name a few.

To remove the detritus that sits on top, don't use the gravel vac. Instead, just use the hose. You will be able to cover more ground, remove more gunk without removing a ton of water.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 7:00 am

sand will give u bad lines of dirt alone the glass.......donty know about u but it annoyed me till it was removed from my tank
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 7:05 am

keeperofkillers wrote:
sand will give u bad lines of dirt alone the glass.......donty know about u but it annoyed me till it was removed from my tank

Only if you don't keep it stirred up. ;o)
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 8:12 am

I agree with above - I have sand in all my tanks now, and prefer it. I use a chopstick to keep it stirred, and that is especially true along the edge of the glass.

One thing to keep in mind about sand is that you only need a very thin layer, unless you are keeping plants or fish species that dig or make sand beds for spawning. A thick sand substrate makes maintenance harder and is not necessary. I try to use only enough to cover the bottom without it showing through.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 9:47 am

Lesley Pool supply. 50 pound bags are cheap and are large grain which stays on the bottom even if the fish sift. Beach sand is sold at some fish stores stay away this is small grain and is murder on filters. I use no prefilters but I keep all filter intakes about 4 inches off the bottom. No problems with impellers ever. Sand is the best substrate IMO no gravel vac needed everything stays on the surface. Do stir occasionally though like posted above.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 9:50 am

TankGirl wrote:
A thick sand substrate makes maintenance harder and is not necessary. I try to use only enough to cover the bottom without it showing through.

sand warning? 858205 About a half inch to an inch is all you need
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 9:54 am

Quarter inch! C'mon - live on the edge.... funny (saves money on sand, too!)
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 9:57 am

i guess im crazy as i add about 2" +. i find that is allows the fish to dig without reveiling the glass and also more of a buffer between my rocks and the glass.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 10:00 am

I agree with HRT. I like plenty of sand orrrrrrrrr bare bottom!
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 10:02 am

If you can find Crystal Sands brand silica pool filter sand get it! I LOVE IT nice big grains doesn't stir up easily and you can vac it like you do gravel! It is all that I use in my tanks!!! $5 for 50lb bag!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 10:07 am

I love pool filter sand too - it seems to fill the gap between play sand and gravel. Plus, it is cheeeep! I get it at the local pool supply place and they give me very strange looks when I explain what I need it for, lol.

If fish are diggers then you need more, for sure. The only thing you have to think about is safety for fish like cories and loaches, who can injure barbels on sharp sand. Tahitian moon sand is small grained but sharp.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 10:08 am

Corys and loaches are fine with the sand I mentioned above, it is the ultimate sand in my eyes, big grained, smooth, and cheap!
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 10:13 am

TankGirl wrote:
Quarter inch! C'mon - live on the edge.... funny (saves money on sand, too!)

lol! Yes this works perfect, i call this the light dusting, great for a fish room. I use a little thicker to hide the bases of my fake plants.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 10:14 am

Fern wrote:
If you can find Crystal Sands brand silica pool filter sand get it! I LOVE IT nice big grains doesn't stir up easily and you can vac it like you do gravel! It is all that I use in my tanks!!! $5 for 50lb bag!!!!!!

Fern where do you find this stuff. I love pool filter sand but I NEVER get it for $5
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 11:00 am

Lowes and home depot. It is made in FL so it may be a buck or 2 more up there.....
The bag is blue black and white and really basic looking
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 11:04 am

Menards has white play sand.Use it with africans works great.Safe and cheap 3.99 50lb bag.The sand should get filtered in a canister mine does.On my fluval the water passes through the motor propeller part last so it works fine.On the cheap hob filters it will grind and make noise because the sand doesn't get filtered first goes through propeller first.Depth doesn't matter filter does
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 11:11 am

And that is why I dont use play sand, the grain size is too small and ends up getting everywhere.
Not one time have I gotten the pool filter sand into any filter.
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 11:20 am

Really? might have to look int that
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PostSubject: Re: sand warning?   sand warning? Icon_minitime1/26/2011, 11:43 am

I will go snap a pic of the bag and post it for yall. It really is awesome stuff!
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