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PostSubject: My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project   My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project - Page 9 Icon_minitime12/15/2010, 8:40 am

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Zoea from Caridina cf. Propinqua (a.k.a Sunkist Orange Shrimp)

They will be washed out to sea today (moved to their salt tank).

I tried to get some shots last night of them and this is about the best I could get at the moment. They are so small. I'll try to snap some more before moving out to sea. You can just make them out as they almost look like arrows.

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I'm going to estimate around 40 or so zoea in there at the moment. This morning, most of them where in the same corner as pictured above.

Time's running out on the remaining ones in the tank. Hopefully I will be able to find alot more today and get them moved over so they at least will have a fighting chance of survival.
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PostSubject: Re: My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project   My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project - Page 9 Icon_minitime10/13/2011, 6:45 pm

Found a berried Propinqua lady today. Yay! And the best part, it is one of the new females so hopefully won't have to deal with the eggs being eaten. Crosses fingers. I immediately moved her into isolation so we'll see.

Ninja lady still holding. Found several other berried ladies in their tank.

Will be moving an Amano lady into isolation this weekend. Still have a few Amano zoea's surviving. Thought for sure that I would have lost all of them during the time I was ill. Think I'm going to try and combine the two Amano zoea tanks and start fresh.
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Me and Propinqua's just aren't gettin along. :)

Checked the lady today and no eggs. Grrrrrr. Now this is her first carry and it is common for the first batch to be dropped so I won't get too upset at the moment. We'll see how it goes.

Ninja lady had hers hatch out. Both ladies are back in their tanks. Ninja zoea will be washed out to sea shortly.
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Reset all the rearing tanks today. All emptied out and cleaned up. Moved over one expecting Amano and Propinqua. I'll look tomorrow to see if there are any more egg carrying Ninja's.

I wound up losing (3) Ninja's during a large water change after treating for Hydra in their tank.

Getting ready to restock some of shrimpies. I need to find one low order breeder to make it an even four species to work with.
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Amano lady hatched out about half her eggs last night. The others remain unhatched. I increased the water circulation to see if I can keep them fresh enough for a spell to see if they will hatch. I'll leave them in there until they fuzz over which hopefully they won't.

Propinqua lady still holding her eggs. {knocks on simulated wood}. Will be moving another berried Propinqua into isolation this weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project   My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project - Page 9 Icon_minitime1/20/2012, 5:27 pm

Been a bit on the updating of things....Not much has been happening actually. All the ladies have been kinda in a lull at the moment. Today is a different story though. Today I found (2) berried Propinqua's and (1) Amano.

So....being the winter months and heat is a factor...not to mention me still not building my racks yet......I took a bit of initiative and devised me a heat bath for (3) tanks. So here we go:

Start with (1) unused dirty 10g tank. Didn't even bother cleaning it. I tested one of the rearing tanks to see if they fit. Just a bit small so I added a piece of wood for support.

Here's the front view: Disregard the person taking the photo as Marvin the Martian looks on. :)
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And a top view:
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I filled up the rearing tanks with clean water. Then started filling the tank itself as high as I could without the small tanks floating. Added a heater and then the light:
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And with the light on:
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I currently have the heater on to adjust the heat to the mid to upper 70s. I'll be adding air stones in just a bit.

Quick and simple. I may even just throw some Java ferns and moss in the bottom for ambiance.

And if I'm lucky....tomorrow all three tanks will have a lovely lady in them.
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PostSubject: Re: My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project   My Caridina cf. Propinqua Project - Page 9 Icon_minitime1/21/2012, 11:20 am

Temperature check this morning on the heat was 83. A bit high for what I want so I changed out heaters with one that I can adjust better. If that fails, I'll go with a smaller one but not much flexibility. All expecting shrimps are still berried and waiting on me now. :)
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Bath is still at 80 with the new heater. Time to change it out again. Gotta hit that magic 75 mark. Do believe I have a smaller one. If not...it's off to PetSmart. Ladies still waiting on me which is a good thing.

I got to thinking, if I put Java ferns in the bottom, I would have to be carefull when the zoea hatch to make sure to not contaminate the bath water with salt. Hmmm... Still think it's manageable though.
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Temp check this morning is spot on. Will go and hopefully transfer some ladies shortly.
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well...I just looked for the expecting Props, didn't immediately find them. I'll keep checking but it's not looking good. They must've know I was ready for them.

the amano lady looks like she has several non viable eggs as well. I'll still isolate her and see what happens.
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Caught the Amano lady and have her in isolation. More than half her eggs looks bad. :( Worse comes to worse...she dumps her eggs in the rearing tank and we start over. Still can't find the berried the Props. Looks like they are awash yet again. Disturbing. No action from the Ninja's either. It's like everything has stalemated at the moment.
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I think mama Amano cleared out the bag eggs. She did at least a partial dump. Kind of hard to tell in this setup but I'll get a better look at her when I do a water change.

I isolated a berried Propinqua two days ago. As of this morning, she's still holding. I'm not going to get my hopes up yet but we'll see. I have a partial water change on tap for her today as well.
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And again....caviar!

Just can't figure this out. No clue as to why every Propinqua lady eats their dang eggs! Grrrrr...so frustrating. Maybe a new infusion of some new males may help. I ran some tests on the water parms and they look pretty good. I'm almost certain that it's something minute that I just haven't picked up on as yet. Hopefully, I'll learn it soon.

The Amano lady did dump nearly all her eggs but that was to be expected. She's holding on to about 1/4 of what she had. I'm debating whether I should still attempt this small group (if they hatch) or just put her back and wait til next time?

Ninja's are still doing their thing. Changing colors multiple times a day depending on where they are in the tank. Can't wait til spring so I can get a fresh shipment in to boost their numbers. Still no berries there so must be taking some time off.

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New recruits arrived today. Hopefully I'll get some better results with the new DNA.

While moving the new Props, woops...Caridina thambipillai, (they have been renamed), I found a berried female. I was able to easily isolate her so we'll keep an eye on her and see what happens. The new boys are a little small yet so it will be a spell before they hopefully make a difference.
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Came home today and found (2) berried Propinqua's. Woops... I mean Thambipillai's. I don't like that name. :) Thamb's. Just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Anyway, I moved both into one isolation tank. Now, here's what I'm doing this time. I'm going to be doing daily water changes. Also, I placed a wad of moss in there and a small Java Fern. Air stone on low....but then again...maybe I should run it sparingly. Might leave that for another test.
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Well that didn't work. I did a water change last night. Both weren't doing very well this morning when I turned the lights on. One was on her side but alive and moved when I moved her. She is still holding her eggs. The other gal was just a tad more active but she ate her eggs! I went ahead and moved them both back into their tank even though one of them is still holding eggs. Rather loose eggs than a lady.

This is just so frustrating. At wits end here and just can't figure this out. Maybe a whole new environment change for them will help. When I redo my loach tank, I'll move them over in there and see if that will trigger anything.
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Little bit of a positive note, I have been eyeballing a berried female. Today is day four. {knocks on simulated wood}. I'm not going to attempt to move her just yet. I want to see if I can get a couple more days in and then go for the move. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Still holding on to her eggs. I'm starting to feel a little better. Now I did do some scaping in the tank so will have to see if it will cause her any stress. It also seems to me that some of that gals are getting their orange back. Hmmmm. I'll have to watch this very closely. Might be able to tie this in with tank parms. While the tank sits in good numbers, it just might not be ideal for them.
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Still holding. Most excellent! I will probably attempt to isolate her tomorrow. I did find another berried lady but it appears that her eggs are bad.
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Alas...no more eggs. I guess the bright side would be that the lady held on to them longer this time. Such a mystery. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna run a test. I'm going to move a male and two or three ladies over to another tank and see what happens.
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Two more berried Thamb's found last night. If they are still holding this evening, I'll get them over in isolation and see what happens.
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Next up...a berried Amano. Yay! Finally I get this back on track with someone. Found the gal last night and she is loaded. I'll get her all set up in the isolation tank and wait for the hatching.
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Progress. Found (3) berried Amano's and (3) Thambs this morning. One of the Thamb's already appears to be cleansing herself of the eggs though. I'll get some gals moved over into isolation today. Haven't noticed anything from the Ninja front as yet. Plenty of molting. Getting close to about time to bring in reinforcements. :)
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Been kinda just sittin on this project for a bit since I've been having all the issues.

I've been watching the Tham's for a bit now and there are three ladies holding eggs. Not only are they holding but have done so for over a week now. I feel a little confident now that I can seperate and hopefully get a good batch of zoea for a change.

All my Amano ladies have been berried a for period of time as well. I see no sign of bad eggs in the carriage which is good.

I'll come up with a plan to isolate all the expecting ladies and see where we go from there.

I need to check with my source for more Ninja's. I'll be converting another tank over for Red Nose shrimp as well.
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