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PostSubject: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 7:14 am

ive been looking into doing my first saltwater tank,a 10 gallon FOWLR saltwater tank on the cheap. how much live rock and live sand do i need to start out with ? ive read conflicting idas. any other info will be greatly appreciated . fish wise just want a clown fish o tang in the tank .

heres what i have to work with so far :

10 gallon tank with incadesecent ligt
heater
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 7:16 am

i would suggest a protein skimmer and maybe even a u.v. sterilizer just to help remove some of the toxins and stuff, but we'll see what others have to say! good luck man!!
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 7:25 am

Wait for Cwhip, She knows her salt. I am sure the bigger the tank the easier. Good Luck to you Sir

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 7:37 am

Flippercon wrote:
Wait for Cwhip, She knows her salt. I am sure the bigger the tank the easier. Good Luck to you Sir

yea i know bigger is better , dont wanna jump in to deep right off the bat lol!
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 8:48 am

Yea the bigger the tank the easier it is to keep the perm in check. Also a tang is going to be to big for a ten gallon. I would get about 10-15 lbs of rock and sand. In a fish only tank a protien skimmer isn't nessecery and a uv sterilizer will kill most of the algea, alot of salt water creatures eat the algea(the tang). Just my 2 cents, hope this helps a little

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 10:08 am

as the others have said you do not want to put a Tang in a nano that would be a BIG mistake however one or a mated pair of clowns will be fine along with maybe a Goby or Blenny and a good cuc, you will be fine with 1 1/2 -2 pounds of rock per gallon. no need for a UV but a good HOB filter will work just keep it clean to keep your nitrates down. your light is fine for a FOWLR. be patient and let your tank cycle this is one of the biggest mistakes newbies make it can take 6-8 weeks or even longer depending on what you use live rock/live sand will jump start the cycle adding seed water from an established tank along with Chaeto will help complete the cycle even faster this adds "good bacteria". some good advise is to use RO/DI water or distilled because most all tap water has to much TDS and your tank is really dependant on good water quality in this case the fish may not care so much but you will when your tank is full of nuisance algae.
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 11:11 am

wow, you know your stuff.. haha
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 11:21 am

cwhip wrote:
as the others have said you do not want to put a Tang in a nano that would be a BIG mistake however one or a mated pair of clowns will be fine along with maybe a Goby or Blenny and a good cuc, you will be fine with 1 1/2 -2 pounds of rock per gallon. no need for a UV but a good HOB filter will work just keep it clean to keep your nitrates down. your light is fine for a FOWLR. be patient and let your tank cycle this is one of the biggest mistakes newbies make it can take 6-8 weeks or even longer depending on what you use live rock/live sand will jump start the cycle adding seed water from an established tank along with Chaeto will help complete the cycle even faster this adds "good bacteria". some good advise is to use RO/DI water or distilled because most all tap water has to much TDS and your tank is really dependant on good water quality in this case the fish may not care so much but you will when your tank is full of nuisance algae.
good luck!

Thanks for the info , not really worried about the tang i can go with the clowns :)
so to start out let me see if i got this :

*1 1/2 pounds per gallon of live rock

*live or dead sand - how much do i need ?what do you perfer

*RO/DI or Distilled water

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 11:43 am

you got it right, you can get the jugs of distilled water @ walmart pretty cheap.
1 3/4 -2 inch depth with the sand is good, approx 1.5 lbs per gallon, honestly I like CaribSea black and white live sand I've used it in all my tanks.

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 11:49 am

cwhip wrote:
you got it right, you can get the jugs of distilled water @ walmart pretty cheap.
1 3/4 -2 inch depth with the sand is good, approx 1.5 lbs per gallon, honestly I like CaribSea black and white live sand I've used it in all my tanks.


cool thanks for the info , as far as the live rocks go do i need to get all it at once or can i add it as i go?
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 12:07 pm

Something else no one has mentioned ,,, are going to mix your own salt water or buy it from your LFS premixed ?
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 12:11 pm

if you are going to mix your own SW , you will need a good Hydrometer.
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 12:22 pm

How exciting! Another SW addict in the making! lol! Good luck friend...you will LOVE your marine tank...and Cwhip is an amazing source for help and info when you need it!
CONGRATS on your new adventure!
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 12:25 pm

very true^^^ refractometers are more accurate thats what I use, you will also want a good test kit API makes a good master kit with everything you'll need.
yes you can add more rock as you go. just take your time have fun and be patient nothing good in a salt tank/reef happens fast.... what do you plan to use for flow?

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 12:28 pm

im tinking i might just buy the mixed water to start off. as far as flow i have been reading a aquaclear 50 would be good what do you think? i also saw a chea 170gph powerhead at wally world would that help or be over kill?
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/27/2011, 12:52 pm

the brand is up to you I prefer Koralia's, I've had fish killed by Aquaclear pumps
in the past. Koralia Nano Circulation Pumps 240gph. I might have some in my fish closet if you are interested I will check .. I have way too much equipment!

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/28/2011, 4:13 am

koralia's where 240's for the old ones. now i see them in two models. the k nano 265, and the k nano 425. I use a aquaeon 700-750 for got how many gph it does in a 40 gallon with no problems... i would say koralia's and the aquaeons are equal. only difference is aquaeons are square and a little cheaper.


not to sound rude just for advice i would get already made saltwater from a fish store.
when i was a newbie i had a hard time mixing it right... also when getting salt you want to stay with the same salt.. so it's not good to mix different company salts.

I would go with seachem, or instant ocean...

could could get the compact spiral blue bulbs for lighting. and few small live rocks would do it. 8-15 pounds... it's not about so many pounds per gallon. it's about the surface area of the rock, and how porus it is. also live sand. i would get 8-10 pound bags. you can get a 10 pound bag of sand at petco for 6.99 and seed it with a cup or two out of some one else tank that is established...

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/28/2011, 6:56 am

the reason you want right amount of live rock per gallon of tank water is live rock is porous and is used as the primary biological filter in a saltwater tank, the holes and crannies in this rock give it a tremendous amount of surface area for the beneficial aerobic"needs oxygen" and anaerobic "does not need oxygen" bacteria to live on. This is what makes live rock a great biological filter for your tank. the beneficial bacteria helps convert the ammonia from fish waste and uneaten fish food into nitrite. the second step is when this bacteria converts the nitrite into nitrate. The last step is when the anaerobic bacteria converts the nitrate into harmless nitrogen gas that escapes through the waters surface, this is another reason it's good to have a tank that's not covered "gas exchange" as your fish grow they will produce more wastes and they may end up producing too much for your rock to adequately filter here's where your mechanical filtration like a skimmer or in your case HOB filter comes in. being a small tank the fish growth in your case isn't an issue but you get the idea why the appropriate amount of live rock is important.you can use all dead rock all dead sand but it will tank longer to establish and cycle through then if you use live rock/ sand or at least the live rock even if you fill the entire tank with seed water it will take longer. on a side note I did go through my equipment and I do have a Koralia nano evolution 425 gph that's brand new if you want it, this power head will be more then adequate for your tank if you feel its a bit much just aim it towards the water surface pointed towards the back of the tank so it creates a circlular motion on the water surface. I just tested it and it's in perfect working order. it's better to have more flow then not enough..trust me it wont be long before you will be wanting Zoa's ,softies and LPS:)

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/28/2011, 7:10 am

good explanation CWhip !
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/29/2011, 10:33 am

ok this may be a stupid question but here it goes .
can i start up the saltwater tank with just sand ,saltwater, and filtration for now and add some live rock in week or so? i know i have to wait on fish just wanted to get this going .thanks everyoe for the help
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/29/2011, 1:47 pm

sure you can. my RSM 250 sat empty for 3 months before I had all the rock I wanted for it then it sat another 4 months before I ordered my Sea Horses.
slow is the way to go:)

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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/29/2011, 2:47 pm

thanks for the great info, im sitting here with 2 empty tanks and my head is spinning right now on which one to go saltwater with :)
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/29/2011, 4:04 pm

its good to have an hydrometer on hand anyways , but believe me Cwhip knows her stuff , she helped me and many others on here
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/29/2011, 4:12 pm

yea i already planne on getting one , recommend any certain one?
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PostSubject: Re: 1st saltwater tank    1st saltwater tank  Icon_minitime12/29/2011, 4:26 pm

http://premiumaquatics.com/aquatic-supply/Hydrometer.html

This is the company that mine is from.
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