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sherrf1
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PostSubject: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/17/2010, 6:13 pm

I would like to breed neons and i have read online but some places say it is eassy and others say it is extremely difficult. has anyone bred them or attempted to breed them before that can give me some advice?
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/17/2010, 7:49 pm

as in tetras?
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sherrf1
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Location : Illinois- Chicagoland
Favorite Fish: : Saltwater- I have a 28 gal Nano reef setup

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125 gal freshwater tank with tetras and angelfish

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:28 am

yes neon tetras. do u have any advice?
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pillierox1
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:34 am

i hav no idea the last time i put neon tetras my fish ate them as they wer small. i would think they wer live bearers so u would hav to get a male and a multiple females. there u hav u dont hav to do anythin theyll do it trust me, at the end u will not want anymore lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:35 am

Neon tetras are the most popular and most beautiful fish in the United States. They deserve specail treatment in the community tank. But breeding them aren't easy. Thus is why they aren't commercaily bred in the U.S. I'll go step by step on how to breed neon tetras.
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equipment needed.
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10 gallon aqaurium
baby neon food;live brine
rain water (if possible)
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Requirements
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water at 75 to 78°f for spawning
7.0 ph level
still water before spawning
no gravel; expecially sand
no snails, for they eat eggs
foilage (meaning plants)
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The breeding tank should be clean of everyhing except a single foliage (plant). Some aquarist think it's ok to keep snails in the breeding tank. This is not true. Snails are scavenders. They eat eggs. Before putting the parents in the breeding tank, the water should be stertilized by boiling for twenty minutes. This will kill any bacteria in the water (stertilizes). The pH should be as close as you can get to 7.0. The water temputer should be 75-78°f for the spawing. Rain water would be the best for this is you can gather it. Once you choose the male and female put the into the breeding tank. Female being round in comparison to the slim male. Refer to Fish Facts for help. Use a dim light or cover the aquarium with a sheet to dim the sun's light. If your lucky, they'll start breeding the next morning. The eggs are about the size of a grain of sand and practically invisable. This is why you can't have gravel or sand. The eggs fall at random and will be lost if fallen on any gravel. Once the spawning is over and the eggs are laid, the female should be removed first for she will eat them. The male will chase here around the yank to prevent this. Have plenty of brine shrimp ready for the offspring will hatch the next day or in 36 hours.

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pillierox1
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:36 am

i was wrong they arent live bearers but heres some info i got from a website i hope that works.
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pillierox1
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:39 am

it looks like it will be very hard to breed good luck
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RedDeadDuster
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 9:16 am

So, not likely to breed if you just toss 100 of them into a nice tank and hope that they create a continious spawning of them giving you infinate fishies! To bad - I was kinda hoping to do that at some time :(...
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pillierox1
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 9:44 am

i guess not its actually very hard from ive been reading. neon tetras r actuelly genetically enhanced species that the asians created to do a resaech of change the dna and creating a new species. enhancing different areas of the dna. maybe thats why they r very hard to breed.
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 2:56 pm

[quote="pillierox1. . Before putting the parents in the breeding tank, the water should be stertilized by boiling for twenty minutes. This will kill any bacteria in the water (stertilizes).
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If you do this you will end up with a nitrite spike which will kill the fish. You must cycle the tank with dinitrifying bacteria in order for the system to balance out. This is why it's common practice to either purchase these bacteria as a powder or to add a cup of water from an existing aquarium to a new one. Breeding neons 690297

(Yep, this is one of the labs my students will do this year with distilled verses cycled)
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:22 pm

I have had successful spawnings of neons with a group of 7 in a tank. I wish I could remember what I did right to get them to spawn 3 times, but all I can remember is this:

my ph was around 6.5 to 6.8 each time. I kept them in a planted tank with some fresh driftwood that was still leaching tannins (hence, the soft water). With fine leafed plants, the fish weren't able to get to the eggs. Once they spawned, I removed all adults. The tank was kept in a corner without a light, so the tank was always dim.

I lost the first batch due to not finding the eggs early enough. I only had a few hatch, but didn't get the adults out soon enough. Second batch was lost after hatch due to not being able to get shrimp eggs soon enough. Found out later, I could have used egg yolk injected near the fry. Third spawning was successful and the fry were raised until they were sold to a local store.

As stated above, the eggs are incredibly tiny and hard to see. I did large water changes on those tetra tanks twice a week. Water chemistry is critical, but I'm not sure how critical the ph is. I know that planted tanks will be softer than tap in most regions, but how soft depends on too many variables to get into. I only know what mine was during that period, as I made a point of checking it regularly once I spotted that first spawn.

Good luck.
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:27 pm

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pillierox1
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/18/2010, 8:55 pm

note to everyone i just got that froma website that was pretty good at simplifying but thats it i dont agree with dumping them in the water wen its not ready unless its a betta!
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vgould
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime7/23/2010, 4:05 pm

I haven't bred neon tetras, but have bred glofish (which seem very similar to me). To keep the parents from eating the eggs, I placed a bunch of marbles and marble size stones at the bottom of tank so the eggs would fall into the cracks and the adults couldn't eat them. I didn't pay much attention to the eggs, I just waited a few weeks than vacuumed under the stones when I cleaned the tank. I took the water and debris and dumped it into a 10 gal aquarium with an airstone in it.

Because the water was my dirty water from the first aquarium, it greened up pretty quickly. When I started to see free swimming babies I started feeding them small amounts of baby brine shrimp and ground of flakes. There were a ton of babies, but after a month the water was so green I decided to do a partial water change --- you guessed it, after the water change I only had 2 babies left.

Next time I will leave the water green. I think the babies can eat some of the algea in the water(?) but the key is probably sticking with the original water and slowly adding fresh water in small amounts over a few months.

I hope I ended up with a male and female as my Leopard Ctenopoma's recently ate all the adult glofish . . . should have known better.

Good luck with the neons.
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Demonkegman
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Salt water - Lion fish.
Fresh water - Arowana.
Food - Any type of Salmon sushi.

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime8/28/2010, 4:14 pm

not a SW fish.... Just sayin.... crazy
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jetajockey
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime8/28/2010, 7:34 pm

I'll give you guys a secret on how to breed egg scatterers like neons. I've been doing this with danios for some time now and it's probably the easiest method possible.

I've never done tetras in particular just because I don't really like them, but I'm pretty sure the spawning method is basically the same.

These fish breed regularly, sometimes even weekly, so concentrate more on collecting the eggs rather than conditioning the fish and pushing them into spawning with water changes, lights, etc etc etc (sounds like a lot of work to me).

Start with a decent group, at least 3 or 4 of each sex would be nice, young adults, if possible.

I just keep them together, in the same tank all the time, no sense in moving fish around and stressing them unnecessarily.

Do not put any other plants in the tank, if there are any, remove them.

Then I add this egg trap contraption fashioned out of a shallow pyrex baking dish with the lid cut out, replaced the hole with a piece of plastic mesh canvas (arts and crafts store), and a piece of java moss tied in the center.

Leave the contraption in the tank for 3 or 4 days, then pull it out and check it. I use a flashlight, because the eggs are tiny, like little amber specks. You may have to sift through a bit of gunk or uneaten food that may have gotten caught in the trap.

Anyhow, this setup works great with minimal effort, and I have eggs every couple of days from my breeding groups. I noticed that if i wait more than 4 or 5 days then when I pull the container it will have wigglers in it.

Be sure to start up an infusoria/green water culture and get plenty of moss to put in the fry tank.
Best of luck

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime8/28/2010, 8:54 pm

wow thats kool would luv to know how to actually make that, do u mind taking pics and telling us how to make it lik a step by step manual
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jetajockey
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime8/29/2010, 7:40 am

Not a problem :)

I'll do a writeup today and post it in the DIY.
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime8/29/2010, 3:23 pm

Ok. I was too lazy to make another one today, since I just set up a 40b and used most of the java moss that I had. However I did take pics. In this instance I used a small plastic sandwich container. All I did was cut a hole in the lid, as large as possible but not so much that it doesn't snap back on top of the container.

At that point, I take a piece of plastic mesh fabric, it looks identical to those mesh containers that strawberries come in. I cut it to where it fits over the hole that I cut in the lid, and I use a hot glue gun to glue it into place. You could also use silicone for this, but hot glue is faster and easier.

Now I cut 2 pieces of string about 4 to 6 inches long, bunch the java moss in the center of the mesh, and then use the string to tie it to the mesh. I just tie one piece of string to the mesh on one side of the java moss, then put the string over top of the moss, run it through the mesh on the opposite side, pull tight and tie it off.

I do the same thing with the second string, the idea is just to keep the moss in place and not blowing around the tank.

At this point it is ready to go into the tank, with the plastic containers I put some glass marbles or gravel inside the container to weigh it down, you can get creative with this, it doesn't really matter as long as it stays put on the bottom.

If all the plants are removed from the tank, and your fish are of breeding size and condition, then this thing will collect eggs.

As you can see in the pics, some of the eggs are already wigglers. I check this trap every 3 to 4 days, so with a group of 12 or so fish (danios) there is constant breeding going on.

Any other questions? I will post a writeup I did on egg care in a few minutes.

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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime8/29/2010, 3:25 pm

btw this thread should be moved to freshwater instead of saltwater :P
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PostSubject: Re: Breeding neons   Breeding neons Icon_minitime8/29/2010, 5:35 pm

thanks so much for the info def will be looking into that.
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